TEI Council Meeting 31 August 2007
The TEI Council teleconference meeting took place on Friday 31 August at 12:00 UTC.
Participants: Arianna Ciula (AC), Syd Bauman (SB), Tone Merete Bruvik (TMB), Lou Burnard (LB), James Cummings (Minutes;JC), Dan O'Donnell (DO), Sebastian Rahtz (SR), Laurent Romary (LR), Conal Tuohy (CT), and Christian Wittern (Chair;CW).
Council members unable to participate: David Birnbaum (DB), Matthew Driscoll (MD), Dot Porter (DP), and John Walsh (JW).
Contents
Open action items
CW reviewed the action items from the previous minutes.
- LB Implement Board decision with regard to title page. 2007-08-15
- LB reports that SB seems to have done this already
- LB Integrate list of workgroups and members into Guidelines. 2007-09-01
- LB reports that he has not yet done this, that he
started but got distracted. Action 1: LB Integrate list of workgroups and members into Guidelines. 2007-09-07
- SB Integrate <postscript> ODD into Guidelines. 2007-08-04
- SB reported that this had been done.
- LB/JW Integrate revised rendition recommendations into Guidelines. 2007-09-01
- Discussion of rendition was delayed in case JW
joined later. LB commented that the action had been
approved at the previous meeting but had
not yet been completed. Action 2: LB/JW Integrate revised rendition recommendations into Guidelines. 2007-09-14
- CT Re-implement the earlier facsimile examples in most recent proposal. 2007-08-15
- CT reported on the facsimile work, and that the earlier example had been abandoned in favour of new ones LB had produced.
- LB, CT, DP Produce P5 1.0 Draft of facsimile markup based on Council discussion and integrate with Guidelines. 2007-09-01
- This action had been completed and CT and LB
reported on new draft. SR's example was discussed, but
LB and CT disagree about the nature of what a
<surface> is and whether it should be
renamed. SB and AC summarised their understanding of the
relationship between physical object, and the
corresponding facsimile elements. There was some
discussion on the problems encountered if
<surface> refers to the physical object,
and CT was tasked with proposing changes with examples
to the council list by 2007-09-14. SR confirmed that
Council was satisfied with the rest of the proposal and
especially its indirection in linking. Action 3: CT Produce workable examples and proposals for change to facsimile markup (with regard to the meaning of surface and its children). 2007-09-14[Note: DO arrived at this point.]
- DB, TMB, SB, LB Rewrite NH chapter as needed. 2007-09-01
- SB and TMB reported that this action item was almost
completed, but needed a bit more work. Action 4: DB, TMB, SB, LB Revise NH chapter. 2007-09-07
- Eds Editors to integrate final Dictionary revisions into Guidelines, checking language, etc. 2007-09-01
- LB and SB reported that they believed this has already been done; SPQR was currently reviewing the chapter.
- LB Report back to council on any changes to FSD/FS and if necessary rationalise the TEI version. 2007-09-01
- LB has not yet received minutes of the ISO meeting.
LR reported that they wanted to reintroduce 3 or 4
elements which had been in TEI P4 but which had since
been removed in TEI P5. LB is happy to make the changes
as soon as we are notified about them. Council agreed
that this is a special case which should change in order
to keep in step with the ISO work. Action 5: LB Report back to council on any changes to FSD/FS and if necessary rationalise the TEI version. 2007-09-14
- DO Produce revised proposal about what to do with add/del/supplied/edInt/etc. issues 2007-08-21
- DO reported that this had been completed, but no
ODD produced. DO summarised some of the issues but
promised to produce an ODD by 2007-09-07. LB reminded DO
that work had been done on this chapter in the meantime
and to make sure that the latest version was used. Action 6: DO Produce an ODD for add/del/supplied/etc. proposals with regard to latest modifications of PH/CO chapters. Reporting to Council list. 2007-09-07
- ALL Comment on revised add/del/supplied draft on Council mailing list. 2007-08-25
- This item is moved forward until after DO produces
his ODD. Action 7: ALL Comment on revised add/del/supplied proposals on Council mailing list. 2007-09-14
- LB Integrate add/del/supplied revisions (after Council input) to the Guidelines 2007-09-01
- This item is moved forward until council comments
on DO's ODD. Action 8: LB Integrate any agreed add/del/supplied revisions (after Council input) to the Guidelines. 2007-09-20
- JC, DP Report back to council on progress of formatting of the Guidelines so far and any outstanding issues 2007-08-06
- JC reported that this action had been completed.
- JC, DP All issues should be resolved and/or reported to Sebastian and/or Council 2007-09-07.
- JC reported that this ongoing item was in hand and a
lot of work was being done behind the scenes. SR whetted
Council's appetite by mentioning that navigation had
been completely revised in the last couple days.
This item is not due yet and is in progress.
Action 9: JC, DPAll issues should be resolved and/or reported to Sebastian and/or Council. 2007-09-07Discussion at this point was diverted into what to do about specGrpRef and similar elements and their rendition in the Guidelines. Many opinions were expressed, but JC volunteered to post an initial summary of his perception of the problem to the Council list to kick-start discussion. It was agreed in any case that the Editors should remove the prose leading up to such elements and that if this was to be added it should be done in the processing.Action 10: JC Post a message summarising his objections to the way <specGrp> and <specGrpRef> elements are handled to Council list. 2007-09-01Action 11: ALL Discuss what should be done about <specGrp> and <specGrpRef> elements. 2007-09-07Action 12: EDs Remove all leading prose before <specGrp> and <specGrpRef> elements. 2007-09-14Action 13: SR Modify XSLT in response to Council decisions concerning <specGrp> and <specGrpRef> elements and/or Council. 2007-09-14
- DO, SB Produce revised proposal about what to do with app/rdg issues 2007-08-21
- DO summarised his work on this, but worried it
might significantly break things. He promises to
produce a revised proposal and ODD by 2007-09-14, and
post to Council list. Action 14: DO, SB Produce revised proposal/ODD about what to do with app/rdg issues and post to Council list. 2007-09-14
- ALL Comment on revised app/rdg draft on Council mailing list. 2007-08-25
- This item is moved forward. Action 15: ALL Comment on revised app/rdg draft on Council mailing list. 2007-09-21
- SB Integrate revisions (after Council input) to the Guidelines 2007-09-01
- This item is moved forward. Action 16: SB Integrate revisions to app/rdg (after Council input) to the Guidelines. 2007-09-28
- LB Integrate changes necessary for a working implementation for modelling of manuscript stemmata, as proposed on council list. 2007-09-01
- LB reports that this is not been done yet, but he
will do so soon and the changes are straightforward.
Action 17: LB Integrate changes necessary for a working implementation for modelling of manuscript stemmata, as proposed on council list. 2007-09-07
- LB Implement rationalisation of handDesc/handList/hand, removing handNote 2007-08-08
- LB reports that this has been done.
- ALL Review chapters and correct mistakes as per http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/trac/TEIP5/wiki/Review from 2007-08-04 until 2007-09-07
- This action is ongoing and is discussed in more
detail in the following section.
Action 18: ALL Review chapters and correct mistakes as per http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/trac/TEIP5/wiki/Review 2007-09-07
- All Any new significant technical revisions not already under consideration by Council should be added to trac for P5 1.1 to keep track of these ideas as they occur to us in P5 1.0 revisions. ongoing
- This is an ongoing item. Action 19: All Add new significant technical revisions to trac for P5 1.1 to keep track of these ideas as they occur to Council during in P5 1.0 revisions. http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/trac/TEIP5/milestone/P5%201.1. Ongoing
Chapter Triage
CW asked each Council member present to report on how their
chapter reviews were going. In general these are well in
hand. Various Council members raised a number of issues.
Some actions arose during these discussions:
| Who | # | Title | Comments |
| AC | 15 | Critical Apparatus | Done |
| AC | 9 | Manuscript Description | Review ongoing |
| CW | 2 | The TEI Header | Done |
| CW | 20 | Representation of non-standard characters and glyphs | Some revision needed; Review ongoing |
| CT | 14 | Transcription of Primary Sources | Review ongoing, will reread LB's new changes |
| DO | 1 | The TEI infrastructure | Done |
| Dan | 13 | Certainty and Responsibility | Done, concerns included discussion on values for @cert |
| DB | 16 | Names, Dates, People, and Places | Not present |
| DB | 18 | Tables, Formulae, and Graphics | Not present |
| DP | 3 | Elements Available in All TEI Documents | Not present |
| JC | 4 | Default Text Structure | Review ongoing |
| JC | 7 | Transcriptions of Speech | Done, only minor changes |
| JW | 10 | Linking, Segmentation, and Alignment | Not present |
| JW | 11 | Simple Analytic Mechanisms | Not present |
| LR | 12 | Feature Structures | Review ongoing |
| LR | 21 | Feature System Declaration | Review ongoing |
| LR | 23 | Using The TEI (IM, CF, MD, DT) | Done, message posted to Council list expressing some concerns about what it means to be a 'clean' modification |
| LR | 22 | Documentation Elements | Review ongoing |
| MD | 17 | Graphs, Networks, and Trees | Not present |
| MD | 19 | Language Corpora | Not present |
| SR | 23 | Using the TEI (NH) | Awaiting revised version |
| SR | 8 | Dictionaries | Review ongoing |
| TMB | 5 | Verse | Done |
| Tone | 6 | Performance Texts | Done |
Action 20:
SB Check Guidelines prose and examples for
namespaces which are not TEI, a recognised schema, or
www.example.com (for example, www.hatstand.org).
2007-09-14
Action 21:
LB Expand explanatory prose in USE
concerning which elements are mandatory and how a user can
know this. 2007-09-14
Action 22:
Eds/SR/LR Consider whether
<classes> should have a mode attribute.
2007-09-14
Action 23:
LB Post to Council list a call for examples
meeting particular requirements. 2007-09-21
Next Meeting
The next teleconference was not scheduled. CW will put
up a meetomatic survey to determine the best date. It will,
however be at 12pm noon UTC. This will be:
06:00 MDT in
Calgary,
07:00 CDT in Chicago,
08:00 EDT in New
York,
13:00 BST in London,
14:00 CEST in
Paris,
21:00 JST in Kyoto, and
Wed 18 July, 00:00
NZST in Wellington.
Action 24:
CW CW to set date for next meeting using
meetomatic, and announce. 2007-09-07
